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  • #494
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    Whisper
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    Hello to all,
    I am Whisper and plan on being in Vegas March 27-29 and also plan on visiting Shari’s during my stay. I’ve checked out the web site and searched the girls that will be available during my visit and am excited to meet them all. I do have a few questions regarding the GFE. I’m unable to find anywhere that details just what this is or is it something that is discussed between you and your date?

    Also, a special hello to Mandy, Sara, Tiffany and Ashlee (wink wink)
    Whisper


    #529

    firefighter
    Moderator

    Whisper, GFE refers to girlfriend experience (a service offered by Courtesans to replicate the experience of an actual girlfriend date) and it’s definitely something that should be discussed with your chosen Courtesan during private face to face negotiations. FYI, a Sheri’s Ranch bungalow party is the closest brothel intimacy achievable to GFE. GFE previously meant that your Courtesan made you feel like she was really your girlfriend including intimate conversation or talking dirty, deep French kissing, bare-back fellatio, uncovered cunnilingus and approximately one hour duration; however, I don’t believe there exists a legal Courtesan who offers the full original GFE. STD’s, herpes, hepatitis, tuberculosis, MRSA, lice, scabies and HIV/AIDS have drastically affected a Courtesans sex menu due to health standards and laws. MRSA, lice and scabies are not subject to LPIN statutes but definitely affect a Courtesan’s menu for what she is willing to offer clients out of concern for her personal protection.

    Although most Sheri’s Ranch Courtesans will make the client feel like she really is their girlfriend including erotic dialogue, the GFE party will usually last one hour depending on negotiations, but fellatio must be performed with a condom, and a dental dam is supposed to be in place during cunnilingus if offered at all. Kissing may not be allowed by some Courtesans because of herpes, TB, and hepatitis exposure, but breast kissing is usually permitted along with cuddling and caressing. Finger or tongue penetration may be forbidden. Anal sex is rarely allowed, but never without a condom. In short it’s imperative that the client fully disclose to their Lady everything desired and not assume anything. The consensus of several authorities concludes that GFE doesn’t necessarily mean precisely anything specific anymore.

    It’s recommended to meet your lady first, develop some chemistry or a connection and then discuss party specifics. Most ladies want to meet a client and talk before agreeing to certain risqué requests. If the customer fails to ask about specific liberties or sex acts during negotiations, they should not complain later that an invasive intimacy was not allowed. Courtesans must be informed of a client’s party expectations, so don’t be embarrassed to ask; conclusively, a client may discover that they desire something that’s taboo or a specialty item service.

    CWMC and Urban Dictionary define most of the terms as follows:

    SEX IN NEVADA, SIN, DEFINITIONS BY AFRIEND
    Adult Sex Industry Abbreviations and Acronyms / Followed by Generic Acronyms
    GFE = Girlfriend Experience, doesn’t mean anything these days.
    RBGFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG.
    RBGFE = myRedBook’s definintion of GFE (BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG).
    BBBJ = Bareback Blow Job = BJ without condom, beebeebeejay, fellatio, may not deep-throat or swallow.
    CFS = Covered Full Service = Sex with condom.
    DFK = Deep French Kissing, open mouth with tongue.
    DATY = Dining at the Y, Cunnilingus.
    MSOG = Multiple Shots on Goal = multiple releases: she allows you to have more than 1 orgasm during the session.


    #600
    Avatar of Whisper
    Whisper
    Participant

    Thank you firefighter!
    Appreciate the info and advice. I live the motto to make every moment count you never know when you will run out of moments.


    #603

    Charina Lee
    Participant

    Wow Firefighter, you really explained this better than anyone could I believe. Although there are limitations, I think your one point is outstanding….It comes down to meeting and talking with someone you feel a nice connection with…Taking your time and getting to know some things about each other. Safety will always come first, but when you come down to it, it isn’t certain “acts” that make it a GFE (girlfriend experience), it’s a connection, an attitude, a feeling…The word “friend” is in there for a reason. Many of us do indeed become long term friends with certain people. I’m sure everyone can relate to feeling and sensing a true connection with someone almost instantly. Is it emotion, is it sheer desire? Sometimes….But sometimes it’s just a wonderful connection between two good people!!!!!

    Take care all!

    Charina Lee


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    #635
    Avatar of eagleman
    eagleman
    Participant

    Great info for us to have before we cum to Sherri’s. Let me also ask if sex anywhere on the grounds is allowed or only in the chosen girls room like price negotations? Is nudity allowed outside the rooms like at the pool?


    #674

    firefighter
    Moderator

    Eagleman,
    These are some Sex & Nudity Guidelines & General Conduct Stipulations to the best of my limited knowledge, so you may want to confirm with Sheri’s Staff or Courtesans.

    I understand Sex is allowed after negotiations only in approved rooms… the Lady’s personal assigned room, 5 standard Bungalows, Playland Bungalow #6, Bachelor Party Suite, Jacuzzi Suite and Bubble Bath Suite, but sex in the water is questionable due to possible condom protection failure… There are positively no surveillance cameras in party rooms, so no films are available to purchase for posterity. However, the rooms may be infrequently monitored audibly for Sheri’s Ladies’ safety and protection from clients or vice versa. Also, I believe there are security buttons in all party rooms for medical or safety emergencies.

    Sheri’s Courtesans are prohibited from visiting a guest’s hotel room; however, a guest may share that room with a man or woman who is not a Sheri’s Courtesan. Of course guests may indulge in sex within their hotel rooms, but without the company of Sheri’s Courtesans. A patron may talk with a Sheri’s Lady in the Sports Bar and swimming pool area, but sex is not allowed. Ladies and gentlemen hotel guests and partiers may use the outside hot tub or swimming pool, but must wear at least bathing suit bottoms… again sex is only allowed in designated rooms. In addition, everyone must wear top and bottom covering plus footwear in the Sports Bar or Sheri’s Office. There exist surveillance cameras in the Sports Bar, the main building and outside property including the swimming pool area for everyone’s protection.

    Patrons are not allowed past the Sports Bar curtain leading to the Parlor and Ladies’ rooms unless accompanied by Sheri’s Personnel or to visit their Sheri’s Hotel room or Sheri’s Ranch Office. Patrons are basically only granted access to the Sports Bar Restaurant and restrooms; the Driver’s lounge, Ladies’ dining room, behind the bar and beyond the swinging door leading out of the bar to the Ladies’ rooms hallway are all off limits. Patrons are not allowed to venture past the Sports Bar curtain if a lineup is in progress or a hostess is conducting a post party interview. Clients often desire total anonymity, so only people directly involved are allowed access for that period of time and other patrons may not view those private proceedings. Patrons are advised against loitering in the Parlor, since that requires Courtesans not on duty to be escorted by Sheri’s personnel past when traveling from their rooms; furthermore, Courtesans may not converse with a patron until she has been cleared for work in compliance with Nevada Brothel Laws. Also, laptop or wireless phone usage and picture taking are not allowed in the Sports Bar or other stipulated areas for patrons’ privacy.


    #675
    Avatar of Whisper
    Whisper
    Participant

    Firefighter you are my hero!!!!


    #676
    Avatar of eagleman
    eagleman
    Participant

    Fantastic, thanks for the info Firefighter.


    #685

    RanchMama
    Moderator

    I’m just going to jump in here and clarify a few facts. The NV state statute says that there is no transfer of body fluids. That is what makes LPIN allowed. None of the ranches condone BBBJ, DFK or DATY without protection ie…. dental dams and condoms. There is no transfer of bodily fluids. If any Independent contractor offers you a BBBJ, DFK, DATY she is offering it to everyone and that should be a red flag to you. You should walk her then let management know. You can contract an STD in your mouth because it is a mucus membrane. If you go to the CDC website you can educate yourself with the actual facts. In my opinion NO sexual activity is worth the risk.

    Firefighter as always very informative..


    - Dena | Madam of Sheri's Ranch | @RanchMamaDena

    #699

    Maverick
    Participant

    I’m just going to jump in here and clarify a few facts. The NV state statute says that there is no transfer of body fluids. That is what makes LPIN allowed. None of the ranches condone BBBJ, DFK or DATY without protection ie…. dental dams and condoms. There is no transfer of bodily fluids. If any Independent contractor offers you a BBBJ, DFK, DATY she is offering it to everyone and that should be a red flag to you. You should walk her then let management know. You can contract an STD in your mouth because it is a mucus membrane. If you go to the CDC website you can educate yourself with the actual facts. In my opinion NO sexual activity is worth the risk.

    Firefighter as always very informative..

    Its my first post back to the new forums,version 3.0 for me, and I’m gonna start by stirring it up a bit and with the woman I loving have tagged “The Queen Bee”. Dena I love ya girl, it has been entirely too long, I miss you much and can’t wait to catch up with you soon. Nonetheless being a bit of an academic and being accused, time immemorial, of being anal retentive ( to wit my reply ” Not my fault I was toilet trained at gunpoint”) I am going to agree and disagree with you here.

    First,

    I’m just going to jump in here and clarify a few facts. The NV state statute says that there is no transfer of body fluids. That is what makes LPIN allowed. None of the ranches condone BBBJ, DFK ot DATY without protection ie…. dental dams and condoms.

    I have looked at NRS, NAC and Nye County Code and can find no citation of ” No Transfer Of Body Fluids”. Your claim of engaging in certain activities exclusively with the use of dental dams and condoms is most certainly supported in NAC 441A.805 requiring the use of latex or polyurethane prophylactics. Which is supported by NRS 441A.120 under the instruction and authority of the Nevada Board Of Health. All of which positively conclude your claim as to BBBJ’s and DATY. The DFK arena seems a bit more of a gray area, from a legal standpoint, I have found no relevent statute or codified code that addresses this concern with a significant degree of specificity. Your point, contextually speaking, as it applies to certain health hazards are valid, Mononucleosis, Herpes strains, Streptococcal infections Et Al are some on the short(er) list of risks, levels of risk as it pertains to each contagion(s) and their septicity reportedly vary. This seems to be, from my POV, an angle that has yet to be addressed by the State Of Nevada or relevent counties.

    This is where good solid individual judgement should come into play. We all know law is law and that…..well is that. Laws are broken as well as observed and its up to the individual(s) to make the choice(s) when they come to the crossroads. All things we do in life carry certain risk(s)………I am making no recommendations as to what decision anyone should come to or make. We are all adults, in the final analysis its up to us, joint and several.

    In my opinion NO sexual activity is worth the risk.

    Ahem…..hold on right there my lovely……even engaging with the use of prophylactics carries a certain level of risk…. albeit the risk is greatly diminished………the only sure risk free approach is abstinence. Sorry, not ducking here, if I go too long the hams and the roasts at Albertsons start winking at me and the butcher starts looking at me distainfully….there’s a reason I come to see you and the girls….it keeps me from being arrested and the meat cutters union from putting a bounty on my head. LOL!!!

    Love you!!!

    See you when I can!!!

    My Best,

    Mav


    #700

    Maverick
    Participant

    STD’s, herpes, hepatitis, tuberculosis, MRSA, lice, scabies, and HIV/AIDS have drastically affected a Courtesans sex menu due to health standards and laws.

    FF,
    Nice to see you here hope all is well.
    Upon reviewing your post I have found a few things that kind of wander off the reservation but here are a couple that really jumped out at me.
    Lice and Scabies are animal parasitic conditions that can be spread by casual contact, this can be an issue as it pertains to the hobby ( and many other things such as sharing hats, combs, brushes Et Al). Yet I can’t see how it could/would affect, either in the positive or negative, a providers service menu. Please share your perspective.
    MRSA is spread by casual contact as well. So, you could get MRSA by touching another person who has it on the skin or you could get it by touching objects that have the bacteria on them. This condition is very casually contracted yet I can’t see how this could/would affect the offerings of a provider.

    My Best,

    Mav


    #701

    firefighter
    Moderator

    Ranchmama Dena, I agree with your management position of not condoning the transfer of body fluids for health reasons regardless of the LPIN statutes. The fact is that infections and disease can be transferred through unprotected sex. I’ve had two friends die in the last 2 years from cancer caused by HPV through unprotected cunnilingus that occurred many years prior. If a sexually active promiscuous person continually engages in unprotected sex the probability of eventually infecting themselves or a sex partner is substantially increased. A male client may transfer the undetected and non-symptomatic HPV infection to a Courtesan or vice versa. A woman may be tested for HPV through a Pap Smear, but there is no valid test for a man.

    Human papillomavirus infection (HPV) is an unprotected sex cancer causing concern for men and women alike. HPV is passed on through genital contact most often during vaginal or anal sex. In addition, HPV may also be transmitted through oral sex. There are more than 40 types of HPV that can infect the genitals. Genital human papillomavirus, HPV, is the most common sexually transmitted infection, STI.

    HPV oncogenic strain infections can cause women’s cervical cancer virus (specifically cervix, vulva & vagina); HPV affects men causing throat cancer (oropharyngeal), anal cancer and penile cancer (testicles & penis) as well as genital warts and respiratory problems (papillomatosis, RRP) that don’t develop into cancers. Note: Other factors, notably tobacco and alcohol use, may also play a role assisting HPV to cause these cancers.

    In most cases HPV clears up through the body’s natural immunity system before it causes any health problems. Most people who become infected with HPV don’t know they have the virus, since there are usually no signs or symptoms. Also, HPV caused cancers are usually advanced and hard to treat due to the absence of these visible signs and symptoms including bleeding and pain.

    HPV is not related to herpes or HIV (the virus that causes AIDS). HPV is a different virus from HIV, and causes specific health problems. HPV does not live in the blood cells, but rather lives on the skin. Also, whereas HIV can lead to AIDS, genital HPV can lead to nononcogenic genital warts or certain types of genital, anal and throat cancers.

    HPV currently infects approximately 79 million Americans, and about 14 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women who practice unprotected sex will acquire at least one type of HPV during their lifetimes even if both partners are totally monogamous. However, engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners astronomically increases the chances of contracting the HPV infection. Fortunately for young people there are now preventive HPV vaccines available for males and females under age 26.


    #809

    Maverick
    Participant

    FF,

    Ranchmama Dena, I agree with your management position of not condoning the transfer of body fluids for health reasons regardless of the LPIN statutes.

    As a matter of House Policy I concur, I do however give deference to the State Of Nevada, The Nevada Board Of Health, and Nye County while concurrently recognizing each authority joint and several.

    The fact is that infections and disease can be transferred through unprotected sex.

    Agreed, which is why NAC 441A.805 exists.

    I’ve had two friends die in the last 2 years from cancer caused by HPV through unprotected cunnilingus that occurred many years prior.

    Assuming these two friends are male, it seems you have stumbled on something very rare. It is largely accepted that an estimated 75% to 80% of males and females will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. As you cited, there is no test for men to check their HPV status. However, HPV usually goes away on its own, without causing health problems. So an HPV infection that is found today will most likely not be there a year or two from now. Young men can protect themselves with a vaccine, Gardasil, and for those who are polyamorous it is a good idea. As a hobbyist it is best to take all precautions. As one who practices polyamory I have a complete sexual screening 2 to 3 times a year while observing the tenets of safe sex.

    HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women who practice unprotected sex will acquire at least one type of HPV during their lifetimes even if both partners are totally monogamous.

    I find the last part of this citation interesting. Your scenario: Both partners are “totally” monogamous, not to be confused/conflated by/with serial monogamy, and HPV being an STI , the infection, by defination is sexually transmitted. How could two uninfected people (exclusively having had sexual contact only with the other.) become infected?

    You must have a source for this, Please cite.

    My Best,

    Mav


    #1194

    m.ybarra55
    Participant

    GFE is mandatory for me or I wont go through with the Party.


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    #1215

    mrpaul
    Participant

    so there is no deep mouth to mouth kissing and a dental dam must be used at the ranch during the GFE….. is this the policy????

    sure does not seem like a gfe to me.


    #1242

    mrpaul
    Participant

    I don’t feel that anyone can have a “true” GFE and stay within the strict guidelines set up to prevent STD’s spreading.
    No deep french kissing, no fingers inside the lady, no cunnilingus (without a latex barrier)! so where exactly is the GFE?

    Okay true romantic dates go along way, and intimate evenings of pillow talk make one feel good. but in my opinion a true GFE has to do with the old Baseball analogy. getting to bat and hitting the ball, you move to first base (french kissing and breast massage thru clothing), 2nd base (top is off and kissing and sucking nipples, feeling girl thru her panties), 3rd base (naked, fingers inside her, cunnilingus preformed), finally home (full sexual intercourse)… okay that;s my view of a GFE, and I know that everyone has their own views.


    #1243

    mrpaul
    Participant

    I don’t feel that anyone can have a “true” GFE and stay within the strict guidelines set up to prevent STD’s spreading.
    No deep french kissing, no fingers inside the lady, no cunnilingus (without a latex barrier)! so where exactly is the GFE?

    Okay true romantic dates go along way, and intimate evenings of pillow talk make one feel good. but in my opinion a true GFE has to do with the old Baseball analogy. getting to bat and hitting the ball, you move to first base (french kissing and breast massage thru clothing), 2nd base (top is off and kissing and sucking nipples, feeling girl thru her panties), 3rd base (naked, fingers inside her, cunnilingus preformed), finally home (full sexual intercourse)… okay that;s my view of a GFE, and I know that everyone has their own views.


    #1257

    Maverick
    Participant

    I don’t feel that anyone can have a “true” GFE and stay within the strict guidelines set up to prevent STD’s spreading.
    No deep french kissing, no fingers inside the lady, no cunnilingus (without a latex barrier)! so where exactly is the GFE?

    Guys, This is the road as I see it in this order.

    State/County mandates, house policy and the ladies personal standards of behavior/ list of services.

    State and municipal guidelines are somewhat static in nature, house policy and the ladies model/standard can be quite fluid in nature and change from time to time and/or client to client. House policy is obviously set by the management of the individual house, as a result things can change from time to time and house to house. The ladies standards are typically the most fluid and rightfully can change most rapidly.

    Remember for us this is a quasi-contact sport and most of the ladies are great players but at their core these ladies are human first and foremost. I have found hygiene plays a large role, the better your hygiene the better your mileage should be. Sometimes her guidelines can change based on individual characteristics as well. For example, I was once “walked” by a lady for no other reason than I reminded her too much of an ex-boyfriend. This just creeped her out and regardless of what I wanted or was offering it wasn’t going to happen……and I respect her decision and appreciate her honest and above board approach. The nature of what these ladies do can make this a difficult terrain to negotiate sometimes….especially for them. As a result, If you have dragon breath and redneck tooth I don’t think its reasonable to expect a lot of facetime.

    As a result the defination of GFE can vary from lady to lady, during negotiations you should respectfully and tactfully inquire as to your individual desires. If you leave nothing to chance your chances of being disappointed diminish greatly.

    As far as confusing/conflating what is in the legal domain, under authority of the house and a matter of individual professional adjudication is a different detail. I do take exception to this specifically when I see or believe this is being misrepresented with or without intent.

    My Best,

    Mav


    #1305

    Charina Lee
    Participant

    Well, times have HAD to change like everything in our lives….the majority of people who are healthy, happy and wise have to protect themselves from those who do not use good judgment or are uneducated about sexual health. I’m not saying you do not use good judgment….just that we all know people in life who do not! And that goes for many aspects of their lives. Back in the day, we never wore seatbelts and most of us made it through that time un-injured. But many people ended up scarred for life from just a 30mph crash! Things change!

    But trust me, there are plenty of ladies at Sheris that you will HAVE to wear your seat belt with or risk getting thrown out of your chair! He, he, he…..


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    #7263
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    rewith85man
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    Nice hot pic, Charina Lee.


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